tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4983334520933101277.post2217926415249135332..comments2024-02-16T06:29:33.587-08:00Comments on Welcome to " The Math UnderGround " -- Seattle & Washington State: Data Driven and Now "Developmentally Appropriate"dan dempseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4983334520933101277.post-33098424722048041952008-10-11T12:04:00.000-07:002008-10-11T12:04:00.000-07:00Did you read the comment on Harium's blog that rep...Did you read the comment on Harium's blog that replaced developmentally appropriate with learning styles. Definitely fits the reformer profile for a UW math didactic guru. <BR/><BR/>A ridiculous interpretation and precisely what scared Howard Gardner away from Seattle's school politics. He saw the sins his supporters were planning and left completely embittered. If SPS is the spoil reformer's Garden of Eden, then Bergerson is its God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4983334520933101277.post-1532735245036407032008-10-06T12:15:00.000-07:002008-10-06T12:15:00.000-07:00I like what the Mathchique had to say. Consider th...I like what the Mathchique had to say. Consider that Nobel Physics Laureate Richard P. Feynman did not talk until age 3, so should we have offered him an alternative program because of his delayed development?<BR/><BR/>Thank God RPF was born in 1918 and UW ed department did not get a hold of him.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4983334520933101277.post-14747553198594609272008-10-06T06:40:00.000-07:002008-10-06T06:40:00.000-07:00Algorithms are tools. If the tool doesn't work as ...Algorithms are tools. If the tool doesn't work as with an algorithm like partial quotients, than people get discouraged and they discard it whether it gets replaced with a new algorithm or not. <BR/><BR/>The reformers see algorithms differently - that as a child grows developmentally they replace old tools with new ones and learning numeracy is perceived as a gradual progression that plateaus, much like reading. Each child achieves to their own potential is classical Greek philosophy. <BR/><BR/>There is a substantial body of cognitive research that does not support this point of view. So how did this particular group of developmental psychologists arrive at their ideas? They read Plato.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4983334520933101277.post-17835837734543557142008-10-06T06:29:00.000-07:002008-10-06T06:29:00.000-07:00I couldn't agree more - what I was thinking about ...I couldn't agree more - what I was thinking about was that this is an old idea, but it keeps recurring in different contexts. So in the argument reformers use to defend EDM's use of non-traditional algorithms, they say 'developmentally appropriate' or students need to be 'more mature' before they can learn long division. I've heard Warfield (UW) use this line of argument more recently. But I believe it is more of a greek philosophical rant borrowed from Plato, than something that can be substantiated with fact. It doesn't fly in the face of logic, especially what we know now about children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4983334520933101277.post-92086050698896363642008-10-05T19:49:00.000-07:002008-10-05T19:49:00.000-07:00This isn't a new mantra. The term "developmentall...This isn't a new mantra. The term "developmentally appropriate" has been around at least for as long as I've been teaching (16 years) and I suspect it's at least as old as Dr. Spock.<BR/>The concept is however, as absurd as you suggest.<BR/>Then, looking at the idea from another perspective, one fifth grade student is different from another. As an example, some babies can walk at 8 months old, and others not until 15 months old. So what is the developmentally appropriate age to start walking?MathChiquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17556102998486596252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4983334520933101277.post-76009232930200032212008-10-05T15:50:00.000-07:002008-10-05T15:50:00.000-07:00Yes, developmentally appropriate has turned into t...Yes, developmentally appropriate has turned into the new mantra. So now our test/curriculum/education experts have studied psychology, a subject they know plenty about from using constructivism in the classroom. Their wacked out list of what works is endless. The salesman will speak whatever you want to hear, but there's no guarantee you'll ever get what you paid for. "Where there's a hope there's green." Take a cue from Huey Long who said his best friends were worse than his worst enemies. Bergeson's nose has grown so long, she can't hold a mirror to her face.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com